Mesa de Apostas - Que o Carteado comece! Março 2013

Maik escreveu:

Buba escreveu:

Torcendo pra TER voltar >_>

Eu pro CED voltar, mesmo que seja meio impossível u.u

Eu pro Fishborg, mesmo com a Konami PNC FDP fazendo o favor de trazer cartas que ativam no descarte com efeitos OP ¬¬

Eu acho que pelo menos glow volte, ele eh tao inocente para ficar eternamente na lista.

Quero ver se com mermail a konami libere a serpente sinistra XD. (brinkz, ate porque se tornaria food infinito para o mega galo e amigos -q)

Cold Wave merece voltar, ela foi pra lá injustamente U.U

WilliamAntunes escreveu:

Cold Wave merece voltar, ela foi pra lá injustamente U.U

Injustamente nada. Heavy Storm, Giant Trunade e Cold Wave estão aí em ordem de força. Heavy é a mais fraca, porque é a mais fácil de negar. Trunade fica em segundo por ser mais difícil de negar (no geral, é Solemn Judgment ou nada). E Cold Wave é a mais FDP, porque além de impedir a ativação das cartas, nem deixa o campo livre pra você se defender com um Gorz.

Shunsuke escreveu:

WilliamAntunes escreveu:

Cold Wave merece voltar, ela foi pra lá injustamente U.U

Injustamente nada. Heavy Storm, Giant Trunade e Cold Wave estão aí em ordem de força. Heavy é a mais fraca, porque é a mais fácil de negar. Trunade fica em segundo por ser mais difícil de negar (no geral, é Solemn Judgment ou nada). E Cold Wave é a mais FDP, porque além de impedir a ativação das cartas, nem deixa o campo livre pra você se defender com um Gorz.

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Das 3, Cold Wave é a mas equilibrada, já que heavy dá dedução, e permite que ative cartas mágicas/armadilhas em chain (Digo isso, porque ela abre portas para OTK's)
Trunade É pior, porque não destroi, ou seja: Quem ativou não é deduzido, o que permite ainda mas os OTK's (Imune a S.Road)
Wave não permite que nimguem sete ou ative spells, é a mais equilibrada entre as 3 (o cara vai prescisar só de monstros se quiser dar OTK... Nada de dificil no atual meta, mas é a carta mas equilibrada entre essas 3 Backroom Hatter's)

Shunsuke escreveu:

WilliamAntunes escreveu:

Cold Wave merece voltar, ela foi pra lá injustamente U.U

Injustamente nada. Heavy Storm, Giant Trunade e Cold Wave estão aí em ordem de força. Heavy é a mais fraca, porque é a mais fácil de negar. Trunade fica em segundo por ser mais difícil de negar (no geral, é Solemn Judgment ou nada). E Cold Wave é a mais FDP, porque além de impedir a ativação das cartas, nem deixa o campo livre pra você se defender com um Gorz.

Quanto tempo você demorou pra perceber que era zuera? e.e

Acho que DMoC vai voltar pros prophecy virarem meta de uma vez.

LucasGaspar escreveu:

Acho que DMoC vai voltar pros prophecy virarem meta de uma vez.

Aí Monster Reborn precisaria ir embora '-'

Buba escreveu:

LucasGaspar escreveu:

Acho que DMoC vai voltar pros prophecy virarem meta de uma vez.

Aí Monster Reborn precisaria ir embora '-'

Com Call a 3, pode ser possível.

Meus palpites de modo geral:

BLS banido
Reborn banido
Geargiant a 1
TER a 1
Abysslinde a 1
Trago a 1
Chaos Sorcerer a 2
Tsukuyomi a 2

Entre outros que esqueci no momento e.e

Buba escreveu:

Meus palpites de modo geral:

BLS banido
Reborn banido
Geargiant a 1
TER a 1
Abysslinde a 1
Trago a 1
Chaos Sorcerer a 2
Tsukuyomi a 2

Entre outros que esqueci no momento e.e

Abysslinde a 1 não ajuda muito, Mermail vai precisar de no mínimo 2 hits para ser contido.

BTW tá onde em CG, Buba?

Buba escreveu:

Meus palpites de modo geral:

BLS banido
Reborn banido
Geargiant a 1
TER a 1
Abysslinde a 1
Trago a 1
Chaos Sorcerer a 2
Tsukuyomi a 2

Entre outros que esqueci no momento e.e

Com os detacados eu concordo, sorcerer indo a 2 não teria muita diferença. Tsuku a dois ainda acho cedo, ela ficou anos e anos banida, não acho que em 1 ano ela fique a dois assim. Acho que mermail não vai ser contido nesse próxima list, mas acho que a Megalo/linde a 2, ou até abyssphere tmb, mas nada que não mexa muito neles. DMoC vai voltar, é um palpite muito forte que eu tenho, porque a konami não lucrou com prophecy ainda. Acho que torrential vai a 1 tmb, assim como formula e mezuki voltam a 2.

LucasGaspar escreveu:

Buba escreveu:

Meus palpites de modo geral:

BLS banido
Reborn banido
Geargiant a 1
TER a 1
Abysslinde a 1
Trago a 1
Chaos Sorcerer a 2
Tsukuyomi a 2

Entre outros que esqueci no momento e.e

Com os detacados eu concordo, sorcerer indo a 2 não teria muita diferença. Tsuku a dois ainda acho cedo, ela ficou anos e anos banida, não acho que em 1 ano ela fique a dois assim. Acho que mermail não vai ser contido nesse próxima list, mas acho que a Megalo/linde a 2, ou até abyssphere tmb, mas nada que não mexa muito neles. DMoC vai voltar, é um palpite muito forte que eu tenho, porque a konami não lucrou com prophecy ainda. Acho que torrential vai a 1 tmb, assim como formula e mezuki voltam a 2.

Essa lista é mais o que eu quero que aconteça do que o que eu acho que pode acontecer. Realmente, é muito difícil Tsuku ir a dois, mas acho que não teria problema nenhum se ela fosse. E DMOC pode mesmo voltar, com a condição de que Reborn vá embora.

@MNZ: Episódio 18.

Meus palpites de modo geral:
1x wind up rabbit
2x tsukuyomi
1x geargigant
1x trago
se mecherem no mermail, o que acho que não vai acontecer:1x dragoons
1x Snoww(ate hoje nunca teve nada contra DW)
1x Tour guide(seria a mudança mais radical xD,deck de tematica chaos ou darkalemd e outros decks como dinorabbit ate nordic iam perder e muito,duvido muito que ocorra, mas...)
1x Pot Duality( os asiaticos pedem a limitação dela a muito tempo)
1x Macro Cosmo(acho dificil, mas seria uma mudança que dificultaria no side de varios decks que normalmente costumam ser bons no msm)

Se a lista de março for igual a do ano passado o provavel q aconteça e que alguns decks antigos sofram muito(plant que o diga) e os novos como mermail, geargia, fire fist, não sofram nada. E e provavel que seja uma lista bem pequena, não terá mudança no formato de modo geral.

Minha aposta

Macro cosmo- ban (brinks XD)
abysphere- limitadou (ou limitem a linde)
rescue rabbit- limitado
Geargiganto - limitado
Speelbooks - of secrets (a nova speel deles ej bem OP)
Chaos sorcerer- semi-limitado (nao vejo muito prophecys usando ele)

Acho q so isso, DW eh dificil de ser afetados, pq eh um deck q sofre com side
Maldolche esta okay, mesmo com a nova carta, eh dificil enviar uma madolche para o grave.
Fire fist, que sao bem fortes, dificilmente vao ser afetados por serem jovens demais.
Dragon-type merece um pouco de atenção, pois o dragon WIND do novo pack vai dar um otimo boost nos dragunity.
Wind-up pode ser forte, mas eh muito depedente do OTK, acho que so o shark e o rabbit seriam os alvos da lista e olhe la.

Na vdd não quero que a lista mude muitas coisas, achei o meta deste formato bem equilibrado (mesmo não sendo perfeito).

Pra mim, tem duas mudanças que tem muita chance de ocorrer ou é quase evidente:

Abyssphere ou linde a 1/2
Rabbit a 1.

Outras que vão vão ser muito interessantes se aparecer, que somente deixarão o jogo mais interessante:

Mezuki a 2
One for one a 2
Cyber Stein a 1

O último eu dúvido muito, mas queria muito ver ele de volta ao jogo, dando uma cara mais apelona aos fusion.

LucasGaspar escreveu:

Pra mim, tem duas mudanças que tem muita chance de ocorrer ou é quase evidente:

Abyssphere ou linde a 1/2
Rabbit a 1.

Outras que vão vão ser muito interessantes se aparecer, que somente deixarão o jogo mais interessante:

Mezuki a 2
One for one a 2
Cyber Stein a 1

O último eu dúvido muito, mas queria muito ver ele de volta ao jogo, dando uma cara mais apelona aos fusion.

Concordo com o mezuki e o cyber stein, principalmente o stein que eh uma carta arriscada e ja vi uma materia no days que prova que a venus eh melhor que o stein

141 acho dificil poder usar agora, por enquanto, ela eh uma carta que ja eh forte usando 1 copia.

Vms reviver o tópico u.u

Vou postar uma lista q achei na NET, que segue abaixo:

Forbidden:

- Inzektor Hornet

- Number 16: Shock Master

- One Day of Peace

- Rekindling

Limited:

- Atlantean Dragoons

- Evigishki Mind Augus

- Geargiarmor

- Treeborn Frog

- Tribe Infecting Virus

- Wind-Up Shark

- Fire Formation – Tenki

- Wind-Up Factory

Semi-Limited:

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Unlimited:

- Inzektor Centipede

- Pot of Duality

- Bottomless Trap Hole

- Mirror Force

Explicação:

Number 16 to 0: How many games this format have been won with the Shock Lock? Imperial Order is banned for a reason, and it proved too easy to spam 3 level 4 monsters on the field. I might have gone forth and limited the playability of Wind-Ups, but there will always be an archtype that can find a way to abuse Shock Master, and the best solution would be to simply let the card go to the way side.

One day of Peace to 0: I had this card limited to one in September, but with the existence of the GIshki FTK, it has become apparently that this pseudo- Time Walk is just awful card decision and has no business in competitive Yu-Gi-Oh.

Rekindling to 0: I had this card at 1 in September, but found it being beyond unfair in decks running the Flamveil Engine. A deck consisting of the Flamveil Engine with Hydrogeddon and Forbidden Lance was a powerful choice in my playtesting, and way entirely fair until Rekindling hit the table. With future releases of Fire type monsters, such as Lavals, I am not sure many people are going to have much issue with seeing this card go to 0.

Atlantean Dragoons to 1: Dragoons is one of the best tutor monsters the game of Yu-Gi-Oh has ever seen. Not only does it have a formidable 1800 attack, the interactions it has with the Mermail engine is astounding. Searching any Sea Serpent monster is quite too powerful when the format is slowed down as much as this list intends, and my honest feeling is a limitation, with the way the rest of the decks this format are structured, would not hurt the playability of the deck.

Eigishki Mind Augus to 1: Precisa explicar?

Geargiarmor to 1: With the other Geargia support, limiting Armor to one may not even be enough to keep the deck under control. This format is slow, and this card is the master of the grind game. The advantage you can accumulate off one Armor is unheard of, and the limitation to 1 was necessarily to insure the deck did not dominate the format. Again, similar to Dragoons, this deck is still playable with the remaining cards at its disposal, it just will not be oppressive.

Treeborn Frog to 1: Frog Monarchs were boarding too powerful when I playtested my previous banlist. So just as an effort to weaken the Frog engine, I have decided to limit Treeborn Frog to one. Again, the deck is still entirely playable, it just will be unable to find useful Swap Frog targets after the first copy.

Tribe Infecting Virus to 1: I had this guy at 3 originally, but the slow paced format proved too powerful with Atlantean monsters. It did not see any play in other archtypes, but the interactions with his watery friends was just too much to leave him at 3.

Wind-up Shark to 1: Out of all of the ways to handle the Wind-Up archtype, I think limiting Wind-Up Shark is the most efficient way in terms of the monster lineup. Using Wind-Up Rat, Magician and Rabbit the deck can still grind out XYZ monsters, and in this format, remain as a consistent and fair deck. However, the ability of Shark to swarm the field and generate immense board presence is just too much. This was a mistake I made right with Konami in September. I thought limiting Zenmaity would be enough. Boy was I wrong…

Fire Formation - Tenki to 1: I know the Fire Fist archtype has just been released, which is why I only limited this single card. But everyone knows how powerful the tutor in decks are (which is probably why you see a trend appearing in this banlist). Being able to tutor up whatever monster you need just does not promote healthy Yu-Gi-Oh, especially when I am adament about keeping Mystical Space Typhoon at one in this banlist. With one Tenki, the deck is obviously slower, but still a powerhouse with the rest of the format and hopefully fair.

Wind-up Factory to 1: It was just too much this past format, and another mistake I made alongside Konami. Tutoring up any monster is unfair, and in multiples is just ludicrous.

Pot of Duality to 3: In this format, the fact that you have to reveal the card you select has proven to be quite detrimental. It helps consistency, and after hammering away at the tutors of each deck, perhaps this type of engine can replace what each theme lost.

Bottomless Trap Hole to 3: This card just ended up being the perfect out to a lot of the popular cards in the format (Plasma, Firedog, Hydrogeddon, Cyber Dragon,etc.), so I really see no reason to bring it up to 3. Having more options when constructing decks is perfectly fine, and perhaps will create a Royal Decree vs. Trap Heavy deck dimension to the format

Mirror Force to 3: I was never really for moving this card up from one until I played this format. I feel in love with Mirror Force again, and I am all for giving us three copies. I still think Dimensional Prison is better a high enough portion of the time that people will rarely find the need to run three, so it should not have a terribly large impact.

Tem coisas na lista que tem nexo, mas vei, no geral esse cara usa sérias doses das dorgas do Walker com leite ninho.

Gabryan escreveu:

Vms reviver o tópico u.u

Vou postar uma lista q achei na NET, que segue abaixo:

Forbidden:

- Inzektor Hornet

- Number 16: Shock Master

- One Day of Peace

- Rekindling

Limited:

- Atlantean Dragoons

- Evigishki Mind Augus

- Geargiarmor

- Treeborn Frog

- Tribe Infecting Virus

- Wind-Up Shark

- Fire Formation – Tenki

- Wind-Up Factory

Semi-Limited:

000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Unlimited:

- Inzektor Centipede

- Pot of Duality

- Bottomless Trap Hole

- Mirror Force

Explicação:

Number 16 to 0: How many games this format have been won with the Shock Lock? Imperial Order is banned for a reason, and it proved too easy to spam 3 level 4 monsters on the field. I might have gone forth and limited the playability of Wind-Ups, but there will always be an archtype that can find a way to abuse Shock Master, and the best solution would be to simply let the card go to the way side.

One day of Peace to 0: I had this card limited to one in September, but with the existence of the GIshki FTK, it has become apparently that this pseudo- Time Walk is just awful card decision and has no business in competitive Yu-Gi-Oh.

Rekindling to 0: I had this card at 1 in September, but found it being beyond unfair in decks running the Flamveil Engine. A deck consisting of the Flamveil Engine with Hydrogeddon and Forbidden Lance was a powerful choice in my playtesting, and way entirely fair until Rekindling hit the table. With future releases of Fire type monsters, such as Lavals, I am not sure many people are going to have much issue with seeing this card go to 0.

Atlantean Dragoons to 1: Dragoons is one of the best tutor monsters the game of Yu-Gi-Oh has ever seen. Not only does it have a formidable 1800 attack, the interactions it has with the Mermail engine is astounding. Searching any Sea Serpent monster is quite too powerful when the format is slowed down as much as this list intends, and my honest feeling is a limitation, with the way the rest of the decks this format are structured, would not hurt the playability of the deck.

Eigishki Mind Augus to 1: Precisa explicar?

Geargiarmor to 1: With the other Geargia support, limiting Armor to one may not even be enough to keep the deck under control. This format is slow, and this card is the master of the grind game. The advantage you can accumulate off one Armor is unheard of, and the limitation to 1 was necessarily to insure the deck did not dominate the format. Again, similar to Dragoons, this deck is still playable with the remaining cards at its disposal, it just will not be oppressive.

Treeborn Frog to 1: Frog Monarchs were boarding too powerful when I playtested my previous banlist. So just as an effort to weaken the Frog engine, I have decided to limit Treeborn Frog to one. Again, the deck is still entirely playable, it just will be unable to find useful Swap Frog targets after the first copy.

Tribe Infecting Virus to 1: I had this guy at 3 originally, but the slow paced format proved too powerful with Atlantean monsters. It did not see any play in other archtypes, but the interactions with his watery friends was just too much to leave him at 3.

Wind-up Shark to 1: Out of all of the ways to handle the Wind-Up archtype, I think limiting Wind-Up Shark is the most efficient way in terms of the monster lineup. Using Wind-Up Rat, Magician and Rabbit the deck can still grind out XYZ monsters, and in this format, remain as a consistent and fair deck. However, the ability of Shark to swarm the field and generate immense board presence is just too much. This was a mistake I made right with Konami in September. I thought limiting Zenmaity would be enough. Boy was I wrong…

Fire Formation - Tenki to 1: I know the Fire Fist archtype has just been released, which is why I only limited this single card. But everyone knows how powerful the tutor in decks are (which is probably why you see a trend appearing in this banlist). Being able to tutor up whatever monster you need just does not promote healthy Yu-Gi-Oh, especially when I am adament about keeping Mystical Space Typhoon at one in this banlist. With one Tenki, the deck is obviously slower, but still a powerhouse with the rest of the format and hopefully fair.

Wind-up Factory to 1: It was just too much this past format, and another mistake I made alongside Konami. Tutoring up any monster is unfair, and in multiples is just ludicrous.

Pot of Duality to 3: In this format, the fact that you have to reveal the card you select has proven to be quite detrimental. It helps consistency, and after hammering away at the tutors of each deck, perhaps this type of engine can replace what each theme lost.

Bottomless Trap Hole to 3: This card just ended up being the perfect out to a lot of the popular cards in the format (Plasma, Firedog, Hydrogeddon, Cyber Dragon,etc.), so I really see no reason to bring it up to 3. Having more options when constructing decks is perfectly fine, and perhaps will create a Royal Decree vs. Trap Heavy deck dimension to the format

Mirror Force to 3: I was never really for moving this card up from one until I played this format. I feel in love with Mirror Force again, and I am all for giving us three copies. I still think Dimensional Prison is better a high enough portion of the time that people will rarely find the need to run three, so it should not have a terribly large impact.

Tem coisas na lista que tem nexo, mas vei, no geral esse cara usa sérias doses das dorgas do Walker com leite ninho.

PQP, pior lista que eu vi em séculos O.o

que isso? o Kassai fez essa lista? eaaueuheahuaehuaeuheahuaehuaeheauhaehahuuauuhea

BOTTOM E MIRROR A 3, VIVA O STALL + BACKROW \O/

LucasGaspar escreveu:

BOTTOM E MIRROR A 3, VIVA O STALL + BACKROW \O/

TRÊS VIVAS PARA O DINO RABBIT!

MNZ de Blois escreveu:

LucasGaspar escreveu:

BOTTOM E MIRROR A 3, VIVA O STALL + BACKROW \O/

TRÊS VIVAS PARA O DINO RABBIT!

Sem contar que nesta lista o Number 16 está banido 0.0 (só para esses decks com 3 BTH e Mirro piram)